Yes, it’s Chieri again. This face is just too :3
If it’s any indication how flexible (read: nonexistent) our work schedule is, translation was five hours behind schedule this week and we still release normal time. Also, some very very important Chitose Get You! information is here.
For anyone who missed it, the whole “Center Nova” terminology has been corrected as of this episode (I noticed the mistake after episode 5, but they never mentioned it again until now).
Oh yeah, we’re planning to do 10-bit 1080p and 8-bit 720p for the Blu-rays. Normally it would be pointless to do an XviD for a Blu-ray release, but since the directors cut does have some extra scenes, it would only be fair, so I’ll ask Kage to do an XviD as usual. I’ll probably retime the episode script and translate the new scenes over the 4th of July.
Sanka tomorrow. Hopefully.
Also, puddi has a message concerning Chitose:
lunr, Imako and I have been hard at work getting a script for Chitose Get You! done. The only problem, however, is that we don’t have a good raw, nor do we have a .ts file to encode from. AT-X has terrible quality due to a low h264 bitrate, which means that it’s not worth capping and encoding from. Unfortunately, the only other airing occurs a good two days after the AT-X airing. This means that, if we’re going to encode our own raw (and have 8-bit/10-bit all that), it’s going to be quite a wait for a 4-minute show. One option we have is ripping the CR raw, and using that, but that only gives us a terrible 8-bit option, and it’s stupid to encode a 10-bit mp4/mkv from a 8-bit mp4/mkv. Besides, if AT-X is any indicator, the show may as well be produced and aired in 480p – i.e., no 720p option. It may be like Tamayura – we don’t know.
This leaves us in a bit of a predicament. We can either rip the CR raw and use that for our release, which will result in a faster release, but only 8-bit and not the best of quality. We could also wait for the KBS airing, which will result in a slower (2 days late) release, but both 8-bit and 10-bit and the best quality available. Should we really worry, considering that it may in fact be produced and aired in 480p? Which would you prefer? Voice off in the comments.
Back to AKB.
Staff
Translator, typesetter, QC: lygerzero0zero
Timer: lunr
Editor: Jeffrey-sama
Ktiming, kfx: Calyrica (only OP and ED; no new songs this week)
Encoding: hellborn
Distro: Squiggy’s bot. Presumably.
720p 8-bit mkv:
(Deposit Files)
(Turbobit)
720p 10-bit mkv:
(Deposit Files)
(Turbobit)
480p XviD MP3:
(Deposit Files)
(Turbobit)
XviD and DDLs coming soon.
>and it’s stupid to encode a 10-bit video from an 8-bit source.
do i have to have a rant again. i know what you were trying to say here (probably along the lines of ‘it’s stupid to encode from cr’s low bitrate eyecancer’), but that sentence above is plain wrong. transport streams and blurays are 8bit.
they’ve done 1080p for shows that blatantly did not need it (yurumates last season), which would be the best option to encode without waiting, but sadly cr is only doing 480p for this show.
seeing as both cr and atx look like wank, i would just wait for ksb. although any option is pointless as it’s 4 minutes long and simulcasted meaning therefore nobody cares.
I had to update the post because this was pointed out to me in the irc chat, and the term “source” was confusing. Hopefully the new sentence should make sense.
Basically, it makes no sense to me to re-encode CR’s 8-bit video into a 10-bit video. An 8-bit .ts or BD is fine, but an already compressed video? Ugh.
It makes sense because you can filter it to reduce banding and then encode it in 10-bit which helps preserve that. There are some shows for which CR’s 1080p ended up being the best source, such as Another.
Thank you for the subs this week and every week!
Thanks – But please do Sankarea 12 next !
Nice! Thanks for doing the BD’s, and I hope you guys will continue it til the end.
Still waiting for Tamayura BD’s though…
I think that because Chitose is a 4 minute show that I wouldn’t mind the wait for it. It’s not like it’ll be throwing cliff hangers left and right to the point I’ll want the next episode as soon as possible. If the release is only 2 days late, I doubt I’d even notice.
Late release won’t matter for Chitose, a 4 min show in late release is hardly noticed at all. Its better going for own raws rather than CR or ATX.
thx for this episode
please upload the script this epi ^^
thx for attention
I fully agree that encoding into 10-bit from 8-bit sources is just about pointless. The minor, minor gradient improvement on poor encodes compared to 8-bit just simply isn’t worth it. I also realize that a lot of groups are just releasing anime in 10-bit because they think that’s what people want. Well, the only people that want it are the ones on the 10-bit bandwagon. The rest are just clueless masses downloading what they have been told they should want – or what is sometimes the only option from certain groups who are on the bandwagon 100%.
So really, I’d say sticking with 8-bit everything in 480p/720p is where it’s at. If someone really wants to go to the trouble and encode Blu-Rays in 1080p 10-bit, sure, why not, it might be a good way to future-proof them as archival-quality stuff if/when 10-bit really catches on in a few more years.
I’m sure it won’t happen for a lot of groups due to the pressure and influence of the 10-bit bandwagon, but it does make the most sense. Not that people on bandwagons are about using common sense or anything.
As for Chitose specifically, I’m all for waiting for the KBS airing if it’s higher quality, even if it’s just better than the CR/AT-X but still 480p. That’d also give plenty of time to tweak the script, and save the hassle of releasing one fast version and then another higher quality version later. As mentioned, a delay for such a short show isn’t a big deal. Heck, even if it takes a lot longer, I’d rather wait and watch an improved high quality fansub over a CR rip any day. I’m just glad the group stuck with it and is doing the show.
> complaining about 10bit
> 2012
>8-bit is still the standard in 2012 and will be for the foreseeable future
>There is no support for 10-bit on any major media player or platform
>There are no 10-bit consumer sources
>There is no 10-bit consumer hardware
Enjoy riding your bandwagon.
You’re so obnoxious.
Just pointing out the reality.
I think people who don’t understand that the next progression step from H.264/AVC is H.265/HEVC and not Hi10P are the ones who are really obnoxious. 8-bit H.264 will still be around by 2015 due to high availability of hardware support (kinda like where MPEG-2 is today), but 10-bit H.264 will be irrelevant by then.
… but 10-bit H.264 will be irrelevant by then as H.265 will take over.
H.265 will be the next leap in progression, but Hi10P / Hi422P / Hi444P will still advance the H.264 standard before H.265 gets here.
I don’t doubt progress will happen, it’d just be nice if we used some common sense and used what works with our hardware right now rather than trying to play a profile that isn’t supported and ignoring the problems.
Makes me wonder about the H.265 bandwagon. Guess that’s the next level for the 10-bit people.
Did you not get told badly enough last time you brought this up?
The 10-bit bandwagon making childish comments only shows how weak their position is. It’s not really worth replying to those, but sometimes it’s fun when you’re bored.
Sure, 10-bit it would have some advantages if there were any 10-bit sources or hardware to use it. We’re still in 2012 and everything is 8-bit. It’s fine if groups want to offer 10-bit as an alternative for those who are interested, but going around like 8-bit is some outdated standard just because a few thousand fanboys have some 10-bit software they use to play fansubs re-encoded into 10-bit is just silly.
As long as those on the bandwagon want to keep beating the drum, misinforming people, and trying to force others to use 10-bit, there will be people who present the truth. Just how it is.
just like 8bit h264 never had until about 2009! don’t tell me you were one of those xvid extremists before then?
ps u r still dum
H-264 had support. We just couldn’t agree on the container for it. Obviously .mkv’s won out, but mp4′s are still pretty good.
I don’t know about XviD extremists, but they probably had a bandwagon too.
“I’d rather wait and watch an improved high quality fansub over a CR rip any day.”
You’ll be glad to know I’m translating this thing from scratch, then, because “this is the onii-chan I’ve got the hots for” just doesn’t float my goat.
:thumbs up:
>minor, minor gradient improvement
http://ji-hi.net/sp12/ozma/Tsuki/07-dialog4.png (Tsuki’s Ozma release, encoded in 8 bit)
http://ji-hi.net/sp12/ozma/Underwater/07-dialog4.png (Underwater’s Ozma release, encoded in 10 bit)
This is the comparison I use any time someone tells me that the difference in banding between 8 and 10 bit is unnoticeable.
I’m aware there’s an improvement. But a good encoder can do that in 8-bit too. Slightly larger file size, yeah, but in terms of compatibility and watchability, I’d say it’s worth it.
I’m not saying 10-bit isn’t better, because obviously it is. So is 14-bit. Problem is, there isn’t any hardware that plays it or screens that use it. The forced adoption makes no sense, all people are doing is using software to re-encode 8-bit files into 10-bit, and play them on 8-bit hardware and watch them on 8-bit screens. It’s really, really bizarre from a technical standpoint.
If there was some good reason to be using it it might make sense. As it is right now, it just seems lazy encoders are the ones who embrace 10-bit because it minimizes the noticeable visual issues somewhat. No other explanation has been presented, though I’d be interested in hearing from anyone on why the heck they are pushing 10-bit so hard as if they have some personal stake in it.
I found the localised reverse-talk to be impossible to understand.
IMO would have been better to just keep it as rry-so, etc
I would rather wait than get anything off CR, I just hate them that much.
480p :O
I’d wait for KBS. Quality is important. No need to hurry.
Even if it’s in 480p, I’ll still watch it.
What extra scenes? You mean the previews? I didn’t notice anything extra for episode 1 on the bluray.
AKB0048 episode 1 Blu-ray is 4 minutes longer than the TV one. Around 2 minutes were expended into credits at the end, while the rest is extra/longer scenes during the episode.
Must have missed them.
You missed Nagisa and Orine’s sweet yuri love scene? http://puu.sh/FhC2
Though other than that, the extra scenes were pretty easy to miss if you weren’t very familiar with the TV cut. A bit of extra narration at the beginning, an extra scene with the stars, and a few more that I forget.
What episode is that? I was looking for it ever since the pv came out.
Oh wait, nevermind. Tee hee!
Ah, what a wonderful day. AKB is great.
Could anyone recognise the song SSSS played at the beginning?
And also, can anyone read the last name in the cast credit? The one below Papa Cook. Something-ko played by… Kojima? something-ko?
I can only assume that’s the Mii-chan’s (who looks/acts/spekas very differently from present day Mii-chan) name.
‘Tis the ending theme.
The name at the end of the credits could have a number of different readings (though I like Akeno Mikako), but it must be Mii-chan the 5th’s real name.
My Anime List went for Noono Mikako, by Kojima Sachiko. Not as famous as the succession members.
I wonder, if you can tells us about Tamayura hitotose.
Volume 7 is already available and your coop-partner doesn’t answer.
Is this show dropped?
BTW, why would you do the 720p in 8 bit? Of course, you can do whatever you want, but isn’t the point of Bluray releases highest quality? I mean, this show already needs quite a lot of bitrate, and there are a lot of dark scenes that benefit from 10bit’s better gradients.
It’s a compromise. If your computer is powerful enough to play 1080p, then it can probably play 10-bit too. If you can’t play 10-bit but you still want HD, then 720p should be fine.
Otherwise hellborn has to do four encodes per episode to keep everyone happy.
I see what you mean, but you are, perhaps, making a small mistake. While it was certainly true that 10bit decoding was much harder on the CPU when the first decoders became available, it is no longer the case. If your computer is able the play 8bit 720p content, it is highly unlikely that it would not be able to play the same content in 10bit. With the newest ffdshow or lav, the increase in CPU is no more then 10-15% for 10bit playback. However, that 10-15% for a 1080p playback is, of course, larger then for 720p.
On the other hand, helborn should just do whatever he wants. We hardly have any right to tell someone who gives us something for free what to do.
@ lygerzero0zero
Sounds like a good compromise.
@ DmonHiro
There is a large difference in CPU utilisation where GPU hardware acceleration is available with 8-bit content.
That is correct, however you have to remember that just because an encode is 8bit it is GPU compatible. It has to be encoded in a specific way for stuff like CUDA and DXVA to work.
Makes a lot of sense. Seems like just releasing TV eps in 8-bit 720p and maybe 480p keeps the number of encodes down, and releasing Blu-Rays in 1080p 10-bit pleases those who want that.
To all that hate 10 bit…. (look at the avatar)…its the wave of the future! And remember all waves crash upon the shore…. Personally I am okay with 8bit as it has a higher playability rate across older computers then the 10 bit. If I was rich enough to afford 5k for a new future proof machine I would BUY THE DAMN ANIME!!! not use fansubs as much. Just so you know i love watching anime and fansubs let me know which ones to purchase when licensed (for the most part) NOT as a way to get it for free. SUPPORT YOU CONTENT CREATORS BUY LICENSED ANIME. /rant off
BTW I like the choose your own avatar thing!
How the hell did you get from 10bit to buying licensed anime?
Future proofing my comp…duh. Archive worthy 10 bit means you probably WON’T buy the bluerays cause you already have that anime in high def. The big herpderpness over the 8bit/10bit thing is going stale. I think an 8bit 480 for poor people and 10bit 720/1080 for not so poor people is a good way to let anime get across to as many as possible. I just love when I get flamed from someone who doen’t read the whole post. I mentioned I am too poor to get a new computer… that means I am ALSO too poor to buy every single blueray/dvd i want so I have to “preview” the anime somehow, and fansubs are a good way to do it. BTW I was in the fansub comminity when you had to use vhs for distro…. ahhhhh the good old days!
I don’t think anyone hates 10-bit. It’s obviously where things are going. People are annoyed at the push behind releasing 10-bit encodes in fanubs when there isn’t any real point to it, as everything is still 8-bit.
Sankarea end when?
Later today. Translation was majorly delayed because Rekyu was on vacation. We were both hoping he could finish off the project himself, just so he’d have completed the project from start to finish. He finally decided on Saturday that he just didn’t have the time, so I took over. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to finish on Saturday and AKB was on Sunday, so TL wasn’t done till Monday, and due to time zone differences, the Hiryuu folk should be getting the episode finished up sometime today.
Good to hear.
You’re awesome, as usual.
Btw, should you recover some motivation to work on Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita, I think you would do a splendid job with it. Indeed, if anyone could pull that off, it would definitely be you.
Personally, I was pretty disappointed with CR’s translation and editing, but I also understand the amount of commitment it would require and that those RL priorities are extremely important, so…
And by today I mean tomorrow. Sorry guys .__.
Thank you again. A bit of thought on the term “Center Nova”. Would it be more appropriate to pluralize it as “Centers Nova”? From my perspective the second word is adjectival. This is similar to words such as “attorney general” and “son-in-law”, whose plural forms are “attorneys general” and “sons-in-law”. The word we should focus on is “Center”, which describes the position of that member.
“Center” is the adjective here, while “Nova” is the noun, from my understanding. A nova is the explosion of a white dwarf star, and is one of the brightest events in the night sky. Thus, idols who can make the Kirara glow very brightly are named after novae.
Would you mind translating the next episode preview trailers even it’s only 3 episodes left?
The previews are always made up of lines of dialogue from the episode, taken out of context. I’m not a fan of translating previews like that, since my translation will almost always change once I see what the full conversation is.
Hey Guys, what´s up ? Still waiting for Sankarea 12 !
Soon™ (:
Cool AKB0048 Cover :D
Hi guys, thanks for ur work. I have a question about opening’s lyrics, are you sure they’re saiying “ima wa ima wa” and not “ima wa mou”? Thanks
Wait until August 1st.
We had the same debate. In the end I agreed that it sounded like there was an extra vowel after the “wa”, but who knows what the official lyrics will tell us?
Yeah, I understand, it’s also not that important anyway. :) Thanks!